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For many people working with a spouse might be relationship-ending - but Hannah Smith and Ralph McCubbin-Howell have built a successful theatre company that not only create works together, but take their two young children touring with them as well.
Their company is Trick of the Light and won five awards for its very first show The Engine Room which premiered at Wellington BATS Theatre in 2011.
Since then they've lived and worked in the UK, performing at the Edinburgh Fringe festival and touring their various shows at festivals in Australia, the US, Canada - and of course, New Zealand.
They aim to make work that is playful and inventive - and their latest is Suitcase Show, described as a "masterclass in miniature stagecraft" with puppetry, shadow-play and animation.
They're about to tour it nationwide - beginning this week in Hamilton, before heading to the Auckland Arts Festival.
Hannah and Ralph join Kathryn to explain what the show's about - as well as how they've managed to tour with two kids under-five - and why they were inspired to write a Green Guide to Touring, to help others in the arts industry reduce their carbon footprint.
