Afternoons for Thursday 10 July 2025

1:15 What made Outrageous Fortune so outrageous?

Antonia Prebble talks to Jesse about the now 20 year old show and what she thinks her character Loretta would be doing in 2025.

Plus, she discusses her podcast "What Matters Most". Now in its fourth season, the focus is on perfectionism, boundaries, friendship and navigating change. 

1:25 Taking a shot: Is this a game changer for netball? 

NZ netball is undergoing its biggest change since the game moved indoors, with the introduction of a two point super shot.

Australia and England have already been using the rule, but New Zealand is taking it to another level by placing its scoring zone further out from the post, which means it is a genuine long shot. 

Suzanne McFadden tells Jesse why this could be a game changer. 

1:35 Should you lie to your children about pain?

Off the back of Jesse's chat with American psychiatric nurse practitioner Allison Sweet Grant about lying to kids about pain, we speak to an expert here about how she deals with children and pain. 

Nicola Woollaston, manages the Play specialist team at Starship Hospital and says there are different techniques depending on children's age.

1:45 Great album: The Phoenix Foundation's Pegasus

Today's great album is Pegasus from the Phoenix Foundation.

2:10 The Salt Path Controversy: whose truth should we believe?

The Salt Path is a best-selling book, and now film of the same name, that tells the story of a couple who find their lives in ruin and decide to walk Britain's one thousand kilometre South West Coast Path.

There has been almost universal praise for the story until now. 

An investigation by The Observer says much of the story is not true, but does it matter?

2:30  Ric Salizzo, a legend of sports broadcasting, on playing the long game

When it comes to sport and to broadcasting, there isn't much Ric Salizzo hasn't done.

He got his start as a sports journalist before joining the All Blacks in XX as the teams' first media manager  

Ric then went to create and host the irreverent cult 90s TV show SportsCafe, which has now returned as a podcast Sportscafe-ish. 

He's also the executive producer of The Crowd goes Wild, which will soon celebrate 20 years on air.

Ric chats to Jesse about his career and what's next. 

3:15 Solving World's Problems with Ali Jones: How to engage people in the news

We're going to solve some of the world's problems now, and today we're looking at the news, specifically claims of trouble with trust and bias and the resulting fall in audience numbers. 

Ali Jones knows a thing or two about what makes news great, having worked in the industry and been part of successful shows, and she thinks she might have found a solution.

3:20 History with Dr Grant Morris: Why do we use the term "Tory"?

The word "Tory" is thrown around quite a lot, most publicly and recently by Chris Hipkins making a reference to media company NZME's "Tory owners".
So, what is a Tory, and why is it being used here in New Zealand?

To explain the history behind the word Jesse was joined by Dr Grant Morris.

3:35 Behind the scenes of David Bowie and Mick Jagger's duet for Live Aid

In July 1985, music legends Mick Jagger and David Bowie were asked to perform a duet with a twist at Live Aid, the biggest concert in pop history.

Utilising the latest satellite technology, Mick would perform on the US stage in Philadelphia, while David would perform on the UK stage at Wembley Stadium.

As the technical issues were being discussed, it soon became obvious that a half-second delay in the link between cities would prevent the live performance from happening, so a recording was planned instead.

A short list of songs was discussed before the duo finally settled on the Motown classic Dancing in the Street.

Live Aid press officer Bernard Doherty tells Des Shaw how the duet and video were recorded in just 18 hours and became a highlight of the benefit concert on 13 July 1985. 

3:45 The pre-Panel 

Wallace Chapman previews tonight's instalment of The Panel.