'I don't want to. I don't feel like it. I'll feel like it tomorrow.'
That is what Tim Pychyl refers to as the lyrics of the procrastinator's song.
Tim is now retired, but spent his career as a psychology academic at Carleton University in Ottawa, Canada.
He has spent his life trying to understand why we procrastinate and what it costs us as well as how to manage it better.
The answer isn't about using a calendar or being more productive.
It's about understanding the emotions lurking behind the choices we make, Tim says.
Tim's book Solving the Procrastination Puzzle: A concise guide to strategies for change was published in 2013 but it remains an accessible guide for dealing with their time-wasting demons.
Tim spoke to Kathryn about procrastination and the tools we need to deal with it.