First Up - The Podcast, Thursday 19 December

On today's First Up pod: Alex Cadier is in Ukraine - he tell us the latest on the killing of a Russian General; we find out the secrets of a rare beaked whale; Labour deputy leader Carmel Sepuloni is here for her last catch up with us this year; and we ask Black Ferns star and Olympics legend Stacey Waaka if she's got a trophy cabinet for her gold medal First Up - Voice of the Nathan!